tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2926115586888115954.post4679177722845335924..comments2009-10-10T11:29:56.747-05:00Jeff Heberthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13732306951663286466noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2926115586888115954.post-16779557706934950702009-10-10T11:29:56.747-05:002009-10-10T11:29:56.747-05:00If you did not believe the lord, that’s your right. But I believed! . And I also believed if we did a favour for humankind then will have a positive impact for ourselves. The earthquake struck in our country of Indonesia, that is Padang and Jambi (west Sumatra). Resulted in building damage that enough, and claimed fatalities. I made a plea for all of us who were still animated and healthy to do a favour to these earthquake casualties. Distribute your donation to the agency or the person that was trusted by you, so as that help could to the right hand. However if you did not know or knew how distributed your fund, you can transfer to this account : BANK MANDIRI : 142 00 04692520<br />They need your help.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2926115586888115954.post-48458447554660197412008-02-01T08:29:00.000-06:002008-02-01T08:29:00.000-06:00I think that's a theological point that most Christians miss. If you believe that God gives everyone a moral sense, then even those who don't believe in God are capable of being moral. The atheist of course doesn't understand or agree that God gave them the moral sense, but that doesn't make it any less present (according to the theist). <BR/><BR/>I understand of course that a lot of theists believe that humans do not, in fact, have an innate, God-given moral sense, that humans are all morally depraved savages who can only be saved by learning what is moral from the Bible. In that kind of universe, you'd have to be a Christian to be moral by definition. But given ongoing research into moral behavior in animals, I think it's pretty clear that this is not the case.<BR/><BR/>Of course, as an atheist I think the moral sense we do have is a legacy of our natural evolution, and not a "gift from God", but that's sort of neither here nor there. Either way, atheists and theists both are capable of living moral lives; belief in God isn't the deciding factor.Jeff Heberthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13732306951663286466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2926115586888115954.post-82038986788366446182008-02-01T00:18:00.000-06:002008-02-01T00:18:00.000-06:00Howdy! Just offering my perspective.<BR/><BR/>Can people be moral without being religious?<BR/><BR/>It's good that you mentioned that and I agree. People certainly can be moral without being religious. Even Christ made the distinction. He even said people can be religious without being moral! <BR/><BR/>"You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder."--James 2:19<BR/><BR/>Religious or not, everyone has a conscience-- born "with knowledge" of right and wrong and the Golden Rule. It just depends on how much a person listens to it. The question would then be what an individual's relationship to God is. A runaway prodigal, a Pharisee, a rebel, a mindless robot, or a child to a Father? <BR/><BR/>The point of Christianity is that sure, people are moral, but they are still spiritually dead and do not meet God's perfection and holiness. In that logic, someone can be a good, walking dead person without eternal life. That's where the whole need enters for humility and the Cross to satisfy both divine mercy and justice. The humility comes from realizing Jesus' scars were supposed to be ours.<BR/><BR/> God desires holiness and relationship with Him, not just good morals. That eliminates the need for boasting and equalizes all people no matter their station in life. The creation was not intended to live indepenently of the Creator any more than the earth was meant to exist without the sun.<BR/><BR/>A lot of general America doesn't even understand the backdrop of the Bible, sadly, many churchgoers don't either end end up making a mess of things and alienating people. The judgement of atheists as being a bunch of amoral savages is completely sad and unfair. Can't judge people you don't even know. I've learned to take people case by case and by no means do I have the authority to sit on the throne of judgement.<BR/><BR/>--TaziaTazHallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11952498899289440647noreply@blogger.com